tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10020592.post7236988289296282093..comments2024-03-21T12:32:16.065-05:00Comments on Frankly Speaking: Biblical Language Requirements at Churches of Christ Graduate SchoolsFrank Bellizzihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07949066335378651585noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10020592.post-18891426284939852382008-06-01T09:26:00.000-05:002008-06-01T09:26:00.000-05:00Frank,I had a semester of Greek many moons ago. So...Frank,<BR/><BR/>I had a semester of Greek many moons ago. So far as I can tell it has been about as usefull as 9th grade Algebra.<BR/><BR/>Maybe I'm just lazy, or not very smart, but I am content to glean from those much more able than I in the languages of the Bible. Detailed word studies are a few clicks away for almost everyone. Don't misunderstand, I admire anyone who wants to venture down the path of Hebrew or Greek but I do best on a familiar highway.<BR/><BR/>His peace,<BR/>RoyceRoyce Oglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05244683471043477041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10020592.post-35429684303114978492008-05-20T16:37:00.000-05:002008-05-20T16:37:00.000-05:00Matthew,My own experience suggests that there's a ...Matthew,<BR/><BR/>My own experience suggests that there's a tipping point at which the study of language will continue to serve the student for the rest of his life. That is, the person will be able to legitimately use commentaries that refer to the original languages, will be able to use a Greek or Hebrew concordance, etc.<BR/><BR/>Now, where is the point? Different people, different points. But I think it would be best if everyone who had the opportunity would study both classical Hebrew and Koine Greek for a year and a half at least.<BR/><BR/>Of all the schools I've listed in the original post, I prefer the Pepperdine and Harding Grad requirements.Frank Bellizzihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07949066335378651585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10020592.post-27381454246663106162008-05-20T16:13:00.000-05:002008-05-20T16:13:00.000-05:00Interesting post, probably most ministers have not...Interesting post, probably most ministers have not continued to study the languages after school, but even what remains has been helpful to me.Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12804021069554494090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10020592.post-47692351587184932832008-05-17T23:11:00.000-05:002008-05-17T23:11:00.000-05:00Arlene, my guess would be that the trend is less a...Arlene, my guess would be that the trend is less and less required language study. I think that's a shame. And it's never been more convenient to study languages. But I agree that love builds up, while unloving knowledge just puffs up.<BR/><BR/>Matt, I doubt that many people are doing the M.Div. in three years. For someone with an undergraduate degree in Bible and no working responsibilities, it's possible. But no, it's not common. It took me 10 years going at the average rate of 3 courses a year. Maybe Hall L. Calhoun set the record. By the time J. W. McGarvey sent him to Yale Divinity School, Calhoun was so well-trained he was given the B.D. (M.Div.) in 1902 after two semesters of study. After that, he went to Harvard for the Ph.D. Calhoun's class photo still hangs in the hallways at YDS. I used to walk by it and hear him saying, "Hit the books, Bellizzi!"<BR/><BR/>About language requirements at HUGSR, I stand corrected. How could I forget "Greek Readings" and "NT Exegesis"? I went back and edited the post. Thanks.<BR/><BR/>John, <BR/><BR/>I think that a lot of preachers are where you are in terms of keeping up with languages. You're right to say that it's something that has to be nurtured. That's one of the main reasons why I'm teaching Hebrew to a handful of people. The course has not yet been added to the curriculum at Amarillo College. My students are professionals who are doing this "for fun" (for mostly-religious reasons). I didn't want to and just couldn't let go of all that investment of myself in Hebrew (about 3 years' worth of formal study).Frank Bellizzihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07949066335378651585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10020592.post-23423516616534067702008-05-17T22:19:00.000-05:002008-05-17T22:19:00.000-05:00Hi Frank.I've had ... I think ... three semesters ...Hi Frank.<BR/><BR/>I've had ... I think ... three semesters of undergraduate Greek. I believe that was sufficient for HUGSR several years ago when I took some classes there. I have not kept it up. It is something that must be fed and nurtured and honestly I did not feel that it offered me the practical needs of dealing with everyday problems and helping everyday people. The resources are out there if you want to find out something ... but I seldom delve into the ancient languages. Yes, there are some nuggets of good stuff there...and some truths that the English cannot share ... I applaud those who do it ... but I do not think it necessary nor helpful for the most part. I'm always glad to have a friend who is immersed in the languages, though, when I do need some insight. That's my thought about it anyway!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10020592.post-51414546640495957962008-05-17T20:56:00.000-05:002008-05-17T20:56:00.000-05:00Are people doing the MDiv in 3 years? That sounds ...Are people doing the MDiv in 3 years? That sounds tough. I think Harding Grad requires 3 semesters of Greek (A, B, and Readings) + advanced NT exegesis (which has a Greek components) to finish the series of four classes. Hebrew = 2 semesters. Hebrew readings is optional.<BR/><BR/>As far as your main question goes, I don't have a problem with ministers not having a thorough knowledge of biblical languages with one caveat...don't act like you do. So many preachers don't really know what they are talking about when it comes to languages and do word studies that get it all messed up.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368791607689982645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10020592.post-67766970260230385082008-05-17T19:23:00.000-05:002008-05-17T19:23:00.000-05:00This conversation came up during a class I took re...This conversation came up during a class I took recently at ACU and I was amazed to find out that for many seminaries and schools around the country there are no longer language requirements at all.<BR/><BR/>I for one have not kept up my Greek but I know what tools to use and how to use my Greek for any exegetical work I do.My graduate program did not require an Hebrew.<BR/><BR/>This is a hard question for me. I know that for ATS accreditation purposes Schools of Theology need to maintain standards. However, I am way more concerned that people preparing for ministry are spending time in classes dealing with Spiritual Formation and Spiritual Practices. All the head knowledge in the world will never replace a life intimately connected to God.Arlene Kasselmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17215920805448767403noreply@blogger.com