tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10020592.post655248329095111610..comments2024-03-21T12:32:39.345-05:00Comments on Frankly Speaking: Lamentations and HermeneuticsFrank Bellizzihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07949066335378651585noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10020592.post-12640907806472435062007-04-23T06:02:00.000-05:002007-04-23T06:02:00.000-05:00Frank:A helpful metric for folks to add may be the...Frank:<BR/><BR/>A helpful metric for folks to add may be the rurality/urbanity of their congregation's geo location, size and adoption or lackof small groups. This kind of question has affetced Campbell-Stone folks from several "groups." The World Convention of Churches of Christ national profile pages may offer an indirect record of how hermaneutics have worked out in a variety of situations. http://www.worldconvention.orgEd Doddshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00179931927922304099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10020592.post-68414901999146158432007-04-20T18:56:00.000-05:002007-04-20T18:56:00.000-05:00Lam was on my mind just the other day as I reflect...Lam was on my mind just the other day as I reflected on VT. I also found it cathartic after 9/11. <BR/><BR/>Echoing Matt there has been some of a shift but not nearly enough in my opinion. I still get plenty of flak when using the Hebrew Bible. Thanks for an excellent post.<BR/><BR/>Valentine Blog scandal ?<BR/><BR/>Shalom,<BR/>Bobby ValentineStoned-Campbell Disciplehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00807468566670784346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10020592.post-71832294531603186982007-04-20T18:55:00.000-05:002007-04-20T18:55:00.000-05:00Lam was on my mind just the other day as I reflect...Lam was on my mind just the other day as I reflected on VT. I also found it cathartic after 9/11. <BR/><BR/>Echoing Matt there has been some of a shift but not nearly enough in my opinion. I still get plenty of flak when using the Hebrew Bible. Thanks for an excellent post.<BR/><BR/>Shalom,<BR/>Bobby ValentineStoned-Campbell Disciplehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00807468566670784346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10020592.post-65369133220893689952007-04-19T08:19:00.000-05:002007-04-19T08:19:00.000-05:00MG convertible: Thanks for stopping by and for ad...MG convertible: Thanks for stopping by and for adding insight. I'm always glad when I get to "meet" new friends here.Frank Bellizzihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07949066335378651585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10020592.post-7540033777273133582007-04-18T22:52:00.000-05:002007-04-18T22:52:00.000-05:00Frank,First time commentor. Found you through the...Frank,<BR/><BR/>First time commentor. Found you through the Valentine blog scandal of a week or ten days ago...<BR/><BR/>I say yes to question 1, but it is not all black and white though. I have certainly come to a new approach, though it is not exactly like you have described. At the same time, I live and work in the shadow of Sunset Church of Christ and SIBI, which still uses Ed Wharton's The Church of Christ regularly as a text book. That book promotes a constitution style scripture interpretation, and there have been hundreds of students use it in the last five years that I have worked as one of their key book sellers.<BR/><BR/>I did not become a serious bible student myself until after the change (of Q2) was well underway. I do not know what caused the change per se. But I personally am heavily influenced by N.T. Wright (and thus R Horsley etc etc). The whole Postmodern concept of scripture is meaningful to me, probably as a generational thing. But Wright has captured my imagination particularly with Horsley's emphasis on empire, but as filtered through Wright.<BR/><BR/>I also am influence by Leonard Allen and Richard Hughes as far as in house thinkers are concerned. But Wright blows them all away in my estimation.<BR/><BR/>I look at scripture as a 5 act play/drama. I appreciate various genre of writings, but the unity of the over arching metanarrative guides me especially.<BR/><BR/>As for the future, I am not a good predicter really. A wisher, though, is another thing.<BR/><BR/>I wish that as some of these meta trends begin to filter into various denominations, that our churches would begin to join together and share resources. I also hope that attention to the poor and marginalized will froth to the surface as bigger agendas than music or lack thereof in worship. I think it would be great if Vandelia CoC, where I attend, would merge with Oakwood Methodist (about 4 blocks away) and then worship in their facility while converting ours into a multi-family housing and community center. <BR/><BR/>This kind of thing would require a loosing of traditional intradenominational fetters while at the same time firming up our ecumenical efforts -effecting tradition, doctrine, routine and imagination at the least. A great challenge. But if the traditional church (and by that I mean the church at large and not just our segment) is going to continue to fall on hard times in the future, surely we will find ourselves more likeminded and ready to share resources across lines that used to be tight boundary markers more readily. <BR/><BR/>But that is pretty vague and far adrift from your hermeneutic topic at this point.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the thoughtful post.<BR/><BR/>Jesus is Lord!Agent Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17797031158032033042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10020592.post-33932758419398770902007-04-18T21:35:00.000-05:002007-04-18T21:35:00.000-05:00Ah, okay. We are on the same page then. That is th...Ah, okay. We are on the same page then. That is the same framework I am speaking from. B.S.F. stands for Bible Study Fellowship and is an international, non-denominational (although probably mostly baptist) group that does some pretty serious Bible study. They pick a book and work through it with some very high expectations of the students. It is mandatory that you study before coming each week otherwise you are not allowed to comment (at least that is my understanding).Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368791607689982645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10020592.post-55177244680934127732007-04-18T14:03:00.000-05:002007-04-18T14:03:00.000-05:00Matt, thanks for your comments. It's always nice ...Matt, thanks for your comments. It's always nice to get candid reports from places I don't know very well.<BR/><BR/>By "my group" I mean basically a capella Churches of Christ in the U.S.<BR/><BR/>I'm curious. What did you mean by B.S.F.?Frank Bellizzihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07949066335378651585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10020592.post-47754276622544582382007-04-18T12:31:00.000-05:002007-04-18T12:31:00.000-05:001. This shift has taken place with a great number ...1. This shift has taken place with a great number of ministers due to better education and better literature being widely available but I am not so sure this shift has translated to the members. It seems to me that many of them still read the scriptures in the traditional/flat way with little understanding of the differences between books. <BR/><BR/>A few weeks ago, I simply explained to one class about the order and placement of the OT books and they were amazed that no one had explained that to them before. They had never thought about the fact that you might actually read one book through a different lens than another. I am sure this class is not alone.<BR/><BR/>2. The sources of change would seem to me to be far better resources and education being readily available to ministers and Bible class teachers than the old J.W. Shepherd commentaries. The B.S.F. Bible studies are spreading this some as well.<BR/><BR/>3. This will continue to try to play out in the pulpit and Bible classes taught mostly by ministers. I think it will take a LONG time before this really impacts the views of a great number of "people in the pews."<BR/><BR/>I am not certain what your group is but I hope that helps.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14368791607689982645noreply@blogger.com